Posts by Sea Breeze

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Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Sea Breeze

Questions that make me skeptical of a "time period" interpretation for the creative days:

Why does Jesus take Genesis 1–2 as teaching history (Matthew 19:4; Mark 10:6)?

Why does Paul take it as history (Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 11:8–9; 15:21–22; 15:45; 1 Timothy 2:12–14)?

Why does Ex 20: 9-ll compare our literal days and week to God's literal creative days and week? Why should I interpret one day literally and another day symbolically in the same verses?

Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Ex. 20:9-11)

Why did the ancient, medieval, and modern church—until about 1800—have few commentators (if any) who believed in an ancient universe?

Why do all of the ancient translations and paraphrases, such as the Aramaic Targums, take the words at face value and translate them as “days,” with no hint that they might mean “ages” in Genesis 1?

Why is there little or no classical Rabbinic support for an ancient universe?

Why are there well-qualified PhD scientists who support physical data as consistent with a young-earth view?

Why is The coupling of the word “day” (yom) with an ordinal number (e.g., “second day,” “third day,” etc.) consistently employed throughout the history of the Hebrew Bible as the conventional way to designate a literal day in a literal seven-day week? (Gen. 7:4; 17:12).

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Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Sea Breeze

How could they sin when they didn't know what evil was and until they knew what it was?

Eve, didn't act confused at all when she restated what God said. She knew what the law was. She simply chose to believe someone else. And this is the core issue of our entire existence.

You claim sin entered the world through them eating the fruit

The fruit is just a manifestation of the core issue: each person must personally decide whether or not to believe God. The sin resides in the unbelief, just as life eternal resides in believing God.

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that

believeth not the Son shall not see life" - God

Things haven't changed since Eden, it's still about belief, and we still have a choice.

299

Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Sea Breeze

We are all under a death sentence.... the whole species and planet is too for that matter. It's a lot worse than just children dying. I am particularly turned off by my personal death should the Lord tarry.

This is why I have chosen to believe God.

Isn't it interesting how two people can look at the same data and decide on opposite courses of action?

I am very grateful that since Calvary, people actually have a choice.

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Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Sea Breeze

A five year-old child would be better prepared for life's challenges than Adam and Eve were. So, when faced with an obedience test is it any wonder that they failed at the first attempt?

@Nicolau

I think these are some fair speculations on why Eve chose not to initially believe God.

Why have you chosen not to believe God?

299

Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Sea Breeze

First of all, neither Adam nor Eve were innocent. They were guilty as sin. So, they died, in accordance with the Law.

Adam and Eve's pitiful attempt at covering their sin was by sewing fig leaves together. Our attempts at covering our sins through our own works are just as insufficient and pitiful as well. God had mercy on them and provided an appropriate covering (animal skins) that required the shedding of Blood, which forshadowwed the day when God would become a man and shed his own blood, in their stead but not theirs only; but for all who wanted it.

Sin and death entered the world because a decision was made NOT to believe God. When God offered the whole world the opportunity to allow him to pay your sin debt in your stead, he recreated the opportunity Eve had to choose whether or not to believe God.

Adam and Eve are definitely saved. They accepted the blood covering God offered and likely believed God thereafter, especially the prophecy in Gen. 3: 15.

Everyone has the choice Eve had. Eve initially didn't believe God. Later, I'm quite sure she changed her mind and decided it was better to believe God. Which is why I look forward to meeting her.

It just makes sense to believe God, and live. Sin is not just wrong. It is stupid and illogical.

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Who told the first lie?

by nicolaou in

this is a continuation of the discussion which sprang from an unrelated topic.. so according to genesis, who told the first lie?

god told eve that if she ate from the tree of knowledge she would die that very same day.

in response to that statement the devil told her she would not die.. eve ate from the tree and did not die.

Sea Breeze

Gen 3

“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die",

God hath said, "Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die".

It's clear: Satan lied, they died.

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August WT: DF'ing renamed "Removed." AKA: GB re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

by WingCommander in

jw
friends

so: the mystery has been clarified as to more "new light" / clarifications of decades old doctrine and procedure.

august watchtower has finally been leaked.

disfellowshipping?

Sea Breeze

WT theology has always been a shell game of symbolic interpretation. They are just expanding the grift to include policy as well.

The question is whether or not educated lawmakers will continue to waste taxpayer money on the scam. Or, will they see that the suicides, mental health costs, addiction recovery costs and lost income from formerly productive citizens are not likely to change?

Court Sees Through Support-Paying Spouse's Shell Game - FamilyLLB

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Big News: August English Watchtower released on servers

by ukpimo in

big news.

just in from a friend who is fading.. disfellowshipping will no longer be a term used by jws.

study article 35, paragraph 4 footnote says this:.

Sea Breeze

We will never abandon the disfellowshipping practice.

But we will blow out your future by removing you from the congregation and from your loved ones.

Ok got it.

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JW s were here today with convention invite

by enoughisenough in

i thought i would tell this story: 2 gals and a guy came by with invitation to convention.

i am in the yard.

the gals get out and are wearing pants.

Sea Breeze

You brought out 2-3 very logical points, planted some seeds, and let them know there are people out there that are not JW's that do care about truth and authenticity. I'd call that a home run.

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Deep study

by road to nowhere in

wifes friend had to go home to deep study the sunday article.

does that mean not skimming headings?

the last deep thing i remember was babylon book and it was a perfect fit except none of it came true.

Sea Breeze

I have taught a course on Revelation in church after spending a year studying it with my Phd. friend who also went to Bible school. Most of Revelation is literal except where it clearly says it's not.

I had gone through the WT Rev. book 3 times in the 80's and early 90's. So, I can really compare the two models - literal vs. symbolic. I can say unreservedly that what the WT printed on Revelation is the most outlandish, disconjointed pile of horse manure I've ever seen.... and I've seen a lot.